From: Tristan Croll (tristan.croll_at_qut.edu.au)
Date: Thu Jul 18 2013 - 20:23:35 CDT
The cell origin should be the center of mass of your system:
measure center $all.
Unless you have used the "rotate to minimize volume" option in Solvate, your center could easily be tens or hundreds of Angstroms from {0 0 0} and your simulation will go crazy trying to move the system there.
If you're using the built-in solvate and ionize GUI tools in VMD, you should be able to just type:
pbc get
to get the box dimensions.
From: owner-namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu [mailto:owner-namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu] On Behalf Of Aron Broom
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 11:06 AM
To: adrian palacios
Cc: namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: namd-l: Minimization/Equilibrium problem, atoms moving too fast
I'm not super familiar with exactly how NAMD does the periodic stuff or again what that VWD Boundary term means, but I wonder what would happen in your original larger simulation if you replaced:
"cellOrigin           0    0    0"
with
"cellOrigin           80.5    73.0    72.0"
Maybe nothing, but worth testing since it's a quick change.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM, adrian palacios <adpala_at_hotmail.com<mailto:adpala_at_hotmail.com>> wrote:
Well, my procedure to define the cell dimensions is running the  "measure minmax $sel" where sel is the selection of the water box and using the diference between those vectors as each of the cell dimensions, for example, if it gives me {-80.5 . .} and {80.4 . .} I give a cell vector   {161 0 0}  as I did in my configuration file, trying to give numbers rounded to the greater integer. And sorry for my incorrect expression, I was thinking of the absolute value of energy, but you are correct in that point.
Before you answered I looked for the vdw "NAMD Plot" from the minimization log file and it does represent the greater contribution to this unstability, but how could I fix this?  I tried running a similar system in a smaller box and it worked, but still is the second time I have this problem related to CaCl Ionization neutralizing the system.
Thanks for your reply, it was very accurate.
Adrian Palacios
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:12:32 -0400
Subject: Re: namd-l: Minimization/Equilibrium problem, atoms moving too fast
From: broomsday_at_gmail.com<mailto:broomsday_at_gmail.com>
To: adpala_at_hotmail.com<mailto:adpala_at_hotmail.com>
CC: namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu<mailto:namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu>
>From the log, your energies actually go crazy low after minimization, not crazy high.  And this seems to result from the ' VDW BOUNDARY' term.  I'm not sure what this term applies to, but how confident are you in the cell dimensions you gave the system?
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Adrian <adpala_at_hotmail.com<mailto:adpala_at_hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,
I have been receiving an error during equilibration that says:
OPENING EXTENDED SYSTEM TRAJECTORY FILE
ERROR: Atom 224 velocity is -3.36524e+09 -5.3944e+10 -6.93782e+10 (limit is 14000, atom 76 of 587 on patch 328 pe 7)
ERROR: Atom 226 velocity is 5548.87 -31899.4 21857.1 (limit is 14000, atom 78 of 587 on patch 328 pe 7)
ERROR: Atom 231 velocity is 4.01192e+10 6.43101e+11 8.27101e+11 (limit is 14000, atom 83 of 587 on patch 328 pe 7)
ERROR: Atoms moving too fast; simulation has become unstable (3 atoms on patch 328 pe 7).
ERROR: Exiting prematurely; see error messages above.
But I have seen that this velocity problems arise from the minimization, which only runs for 100 steps and suddenly energies goes crazy high (see below).
I have searched in namd-l and even in gromacs forums (they seem to have this problem too sometimes) and the only solutions I found are given for equilibration, such as gradual heat, which I tried but doesn't work (and shouldn't) as my systems becomes unstable from minimization...
what could I do?
Below theres a part of the minimization log file where the energies suddendly jump an go crazy:
******************************************************************************************************
LINE MINIMIZER BRACKET: DX 0 7.46617e-05 DU 0 804922 DUDX -1.17635e+11 -1.17635e+11 9.89855e+09
ENERGY:      98     82987.3409     32267.5604       378.1408 398.7799       -1379409.6821    220635.2885         0.0000 0.0000         0.0000       -1042742.5716         0.0000 -1042742.5716  -1042742.5716         0.0000
LINE MINIMIZER BRACKET: DX 0 2.85182e-05 DU 0 648998 DUDX -1.17635e+11 -1.17635e+11 -1.41585e+10
ENERGY:      99     53742.1489     26794.8140       378.9026 391.4425       -1379049.7368     88822.2874         0.0000 0.0000         0.0000       -1208920.1414         0.0000 -1208920.1414  -1208920.1414         0.0000
LDB: ============= START OF LOAD BALANCING ============== 12.3247
LDB: Largest compute 8450 load 0.006281 is 0.4% of average load 1.470207
LDB: Average compute 0.001140 is 0.1% of average load 1.470207
LDB: Partitioning computes with target load 0.147021
LDB: Increased migratable compute count from 3456 to 3456
LDB: Largest unpartitionable compute is 0.006281
LDB: ============== END OF LOAD BALANCING =============== 12.3267
Info: useSync: 1 useProxySync: 0
LDB: =============== DONE WITH MIGRATION ================ 12.3279
LINE MINIMIZER BRACKET: DX 0 1.0893e-05 DU 0 482821 DUDX -1.17635e+11 -1.17635e+11 -6.00576e+09
Info: Initial time: 8 CPUs 0.0917141 s/step 1.06151 days/ns 545.605 MB memory
ETITLE:      TS           BOND          ANGLE DIHED          IMPRP               ELECT            VDW BOUNDARY           MISC        KINETIC               TOTAL TEMP      POTENTIAL         TOTAL3        TEMPAVG
ENERGY:     100     50712.3949     26491.2341       381.0279 384.0135       -1378906.7507    153570.1053         0.0000 0.0000         0.0000       -1147367.9752         0.0000 -1147367.9752  -1147367.9752         0.0000
LINE MINIMIZER BRACKET: DX 0 4.16075e-06 DU 0 544373 DUDX -1.17635e+11 -1.17635e+11 4.31289e+10
OPENING COORDINATE DCD FILE
WRITING COORDINATES TO DCD FILE AT STEP 100
The last position output (seq=100) takes 0.016 seconds, 545.797 MB of memory in use
ENERGY:     101     50478.8814     26312.4298       378.2435 378.8770       -1378841.8835 -9999999999.9999         0.0000 0.0000         0.0000      -9999999999.9999         0.0000 -9999999999.9999 -9999999999.9999         0.0000
LINE MINIMIZER BRACKET: DX 1.58927e-06 2.57149e-06 DU -1.38707e+11 1.38708e+11 DUDX -1.17635e+11 1.17012e+11 4.31289e+10
ENERGY:     102     50518.8841     26374.8347       378.6484 378.0852       -1378867.4574   -436743.2275         0.0000 0.0000         0.0000       -1737960.2326         0.0000 -1737960.2326  -1737960.2326         0.0000
LINE MINIMIZER BRACKET: DX 1.58927e-06 9.82221e-07 DU -1.38707e+11 1.38707e+11 DUDX -1.17635e+11 1.17012e+11 1.25833e+11
ENERGY:     103     50481.9200     26279.3515       378.2880 379.4739       -1378826.8819 -9999999999.9999         0.0000 0.0000         0.0000      -9999999999.9999         0.0000 -9999999999.9999 -9999999999.9999         0.0000
*******************************************************************************************************
Here is my minimization configuration file:
#############################################################
## JOB DESCRIPTION                                         ##
#############################################################
# Minimization of 1AML_Ca2mM
#############################################################
## ADJUSTABLE PARAMETERS                                   ##
#############################################################
structure          1AML_Ca2mM.psf
coordinates        1AML_Ca2mM.pdb
outputname         minCa2mM
set temperature    298
firsttimestep      0
#############################################################
## SIMULATION PARAMETERS                                   ##
#############################################################
# Input
paraTypeCharmm        on
parameters /usr/local/lib/vmd/plugins/noarch/tcl/readcharmmpar1.2/par_all27_prot_lipid_na.inp
temperature         $temperature
# Periodic Boundary conditions
if {0} {
cellBasisVector1    161   0    0
cellBasisVector2     0   146   0
cellBasisVector3     0    0   144
cellOrigin           0    0    0
}
wrapAll             on
# Force-Field Parameters
exclude             scaled1-4
1-4scaling          1.0  ;# already a default value
cutoff              14.0
switching           on  ;# already a default value
switchdist          12.0
pairlistdist        16.0
# Integrator Parameters
timestep            1.0
rigidBonds          water
nonbondedFreq       2
fullElectFrequency  4
stepspercycle       20
restartfreq         2000
dcdfreq             100
xstFreq             100
outputEnergies      200
#############################################################################
## EXTRA PARAMETERS                           ##
#############################################################################
binaryoutput            no
binaryrestart           no
#############################################################
## EXECUTION SCRIPT                                        ##
#############################################################
minimize            1000
Thanks for your attention
Adrian Palacios
-- Aron Broom M.Sc PhD Student Department of Chemistry University of Waterloo -- Aron Broom M.Sc PhD Student Department of Chemistry University of Waterloo
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